GOGOJILI legit,Enjoy Free 888+200 Daily Legal Bonus https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/ Tue, 12 Apr 2022 03:51:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.6.2 By: Nathan https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-54 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:57:46 +0000 https://www.therowboat.com/?p=60#comment-54 Thank you for your comment!

Yes, certainly he does—and as a result he practically deifies her, and the church made her a saint. I suppose I am suggesting that a mother’s participation need not be treated as so odd as to be miraculous, requiring the separate category of grace, but what one should expect.

Not to say that mothers aren’t miraculous. And perhaps this category of grace is what we need to do justice to their work.

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By: Philip https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-53 Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:29:15 +0000 https://www.therowboat.com/?p=60#comment-53 From what I remember, Augustine attributed his conversion to God’s work through his mother in his confessions.

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By: Nathan https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:50:12 +0000 https://www.therowboat.com/?p=60#comment-49 Thanks for the MacIntyre tip; I hadn’t made the connection! Maybe a more exalted reference than the one I made to Star Trek??

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By: kns https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-48 Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:34:15 +0000 https://www.therowboat.com/?p=60#comment-48 “…The idea is, no argument between people really gets solved by argument. It gets solved by a total transition in states of affairs, to a new plane of existence (so to speak), and with it, a new set of questions.”

This is of course part of the problem that Alasdair MacIntyre has been addressing for some time; his classic statement occurs in chapter one of After Virtue. You may already be aware of this, but I thought it worth a mention.

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By: BT https://www.lelandquarterly.com/2008/07/dialogs-and-debates/comment-page-1/#comment-47 Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:50:35 +0000 https://www.therowboat.com/?p=60#comment-47

…The idea is, no argument between people really gets solved by argument. It gets solved by a total transition in states of affairs, to a new plane of existence (so to speak), and with it, a new set of questions.

I agree — If both atheists and theists are each claiming “rationality” proves their respective cases, then there really is no room for productive debate or dialog anyway. This is easy for me to say, of course, but the only starting point for an open-ended or productive dialog would be to accept that rationality *per se* is agnostic when it comes to a theistic God, and then all sides could work on a base of respecting a pluralistic variety of supplements to rationalism *per se*. Yet this is precisely what ideologues will never do, as they all want to claim reason substantiates their side; neither “militant” atheists nor theists making too-strong claims for rationality will accept the more humble terms required for a potentially productive dialogue. I don’t think the God-question is nonsense, though, just that the answer is supra-rational.

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