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By: Loquamur

Loquamur — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:15:39 +0000

I make my incoome working for the people who continue even in 2009 both to manufacture and to “improve” the manufacture of these bombs. They and I understand ourselves as involuntarily embedded in a world based on violent oppression. All modern study celebrates the autocrats of Egypt, China, and Iraq from 4,000 years ago, but never whispers about Australian aborigines, Scandinavian Samis, Siberian nomads, or the last forest peoples of Indonesia and Amazonia, whose conquests are negligible and safely ignored. The problem is not solely American imperialism and technocracy. The problem is our international, global exercise of violence and our global, universal submission to and adulation of violence. The largest and richest nations of today (USA, China, Brazil, India, and Europistan) became so by violence–and EVERYONE ELSE admires and emulates them, buys their technology, adopts their religions and languages, and shuns traditions and ancestry in favor of the conquerors. We still name our boys Julius and Alexander and Charles, and our kings Tzar and Kaiser, in honor of some of history’s most bloody rulers. The atom bomb is just a red cherry atop a far deeper concoction that we sweeten with the label “humanity.”

By: Nathan

Nathan — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:48:49 +0000

You’re right, Peter. It would be absurd to claim that “it’s a boy” was the most profound thought Teller had on the subject. I think it’s safe to say that both Stout’s use of Teller and my use of Oppenheimer are selective, meant to reflect less the men themselves than particular ways of thinking about these issues.

By: Peter Olausson

Peter Olausson — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:36:03 +0000

You cannot compare the Teller quote with (more or less) spontaneous statements. “It’s a boy” was the content of a telegram he sent to Los Alamos, unclassified and unencrypted. It was a code.

By: Quentin Kirk

Quentin Kirk — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:59:03 +0000

A better response might be to say nothing, go home, and cry the rest of your life

By: Nathan

Nathan — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:57:24 +0000

And thanks also for that link about Oppenheimer. My mistake for the factual error. Anyhow, I don’t mean to celebrate Oppenheimer’s response as the correct one. A better one, perhaps, than Teller. But the correct one would have been far more drastic, I think, something, anything, to stop the bomb from being used on civilians.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:40:41 +0000

Thanks, Quentin! You're reminding me of an earlier post—my response to the opera Dr. Atomic—which explored the juxtaposition of the mundane with the world-historical in the development of the atom bomb.

By: Quentin Kirk

Quentin Kirk — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:17:45 +0000

Yes, taking the bomb too lightly. Oppenheimer (not one of my favorite people) is actually reported to have said “It worked” https://www.faktoider.nu/oppenheimer_eng.html. His poetic after-thought which became so famous, struck me as a trite intellectualism compared to what was happening before him. Others at the site said astonishingly trivial things.